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Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« on: July 04, 2012, 09:51:12 am »
Based on something Darkhawk said in another post:

Quote from: Darkhawk;62642
When not treated as a Wheel holiday, but more in its original Celtic context, Lughnasadh is the harvest feast day and athletic competition established by Lugh in order to honor his foster-mother, Tailtiu.


I wondered how many people actually celebrate Lughnasadh and how many celebrate Lammas instead?

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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2012, 10:54:15 am »
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Based on something Darkhawk said in another post:

I wondered how many people actually celebrate Lughnasadh and how many celebrate Lammas instead?

(Disclaimer: I do not follow the Wheel of the Year and do not celebrate any Wheel holidays.)

 
For me, it's Lughnasadh - as I'm on a Celtic path

Special foods, some personal athletic work, followed by an honoring to Him

Kind of tough when you're a solitaire to compete against others :/

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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2012, 11:01:53 am »
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I am very non-dogmatic and use the wheel of the year holidays, when I like. ;)

But Lammas/Lughnasadh is one of the two I just can't connect to.
The other one is Imbolc.

Guess it's because I don't feel connected to the deities in question?
And while my path is kinda celtic flavored, I am not really working with a Celtic centered pantheon.
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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2012, 11:53:25 am »
Quote from: veggiewolf;62725

I wondered how many people actually celebrate Lughnasadh and how many celebrate Lammas instead?

 
One vote for "technically, neither of the above, though Lammas is closer".

I do celebrate the wheel, and generally in public conversation use the standard/well-known names. But I've been moving the past few years away from using the Celtic-derived ones, because my practice isn't Celtic, and it's felt increasingly less useful.

August 2nd is therefore First Fruits.
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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2012, 12:21:01 pm »
Quote from: veggiewolf;62725
Based on something Darkhawk said in another post:

I wondered how many people actually celebrate Lughnasadh and how many celebrate Lammas instead?

(Disclaimer: I do not follow the Wheel of the Year and do not celebrate any Wheel holidays.)

 

I couldn't put a real name on it and be able to justify it with any history save my own. I want to say closer to Lammas, but I don't know. There were athletic competitions. Crazy ones sometimes. Saw my first real broken bone happen on one of these gatherings. But nobody said anything about Lugh as far as I recall.

There's no way of knowing where it came from but I like this:
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August 2nd is therefore First Fruits.


I don't want to appropriate a name that isn't mine but this is kind of what it was like. The first of what was grown even if it was going mushy.

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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2012, 02:24:05 pm »
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I don't want to appropriate a name that isn't mine but this is kind of what it was like. The first of what was grown even if it was going mushy.

 
Feel free to use - I'd love to see a wider variety in use, honestly. (The names I'm poking at - and they're still a work in progress - are rooted in the traditional uses.

For what it's worth:
Midwinter (winter solstice)
First seeds (Feb. 2ndish)
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Midsummer (summer solstice)
First Fruits (early harvest, August 2ndish)
Harvest Home (fall equinox)
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As you might see, they're designed to balance across the year, 6 months apart.
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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2012, 03:18:19 am »
Quote from: veggiewolf;62725

I wondered how many people actually celebrate Lughnasadh and how many celebrate Lammas instead?

 
I celebrate Lammas rather than Lughnasadh, but I also have an anniversary (kind of) to celebrate on the same day, so it is a big deal for me.

I don't exactly follow a Wheel, per se, but I do celebrate certain events on it. Samhain and Beltaine being the 2 main ones, with Yule and Lammas coming a close second.
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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2012, 12:38:33 pm »
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Feel free to use - I'd love to see a wider variety in use, honestly. (The names I'm poking at - and they're still a work in progress - are rooted in the traditional uses.

 
I absolutely agree with you on this!  I typically discuss my celebrations with the Germanic or Celtic names so as not to confuse people, but I feel way too inauthentic calling them such to myself.  My Lughnasadh celebration, for instance, has zero to do with Lugh or athletic competitions.  I tend to refer to it as the Harvest Festival, and then Mabon is called the Autumnal Equinox.
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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2012, 02:00:54 pm »
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(Disclaimer: I do not follow the Wheel of the Year and do not celebrate any Wheel holidays.)


Neither do I, but the climate here is similar to the UK, so early August is indeed the time of the first harvest here.  I don't celebrate it, although I do always note the time of the year and the first flushes of the eventual bounty my garden provides.  By early August we usually have a few tomatoes, the herbs are pumping out plenty of tasty leaves and flowers, the late cole crops are ready to be harvested (kohlrabi kimchi, here I come), and greens are plentiful.  There's also plenty of quasi-local produce from the warm side of the state showing up at local farmers markets and vegetable stands.

I think maybe the climate here being so similar makes this holiday logical, whereas in mid-America especially, the first harvest happens in early July most years.

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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2012, 03:02:48 pm »
Quote from: veggiewolf;62725
Based on something Darkhawk said in another post:



I wondered how many people actually celebrate Lughnasadh and how many celebrate Lammas instead?

(Disclaimer: I do not follow the Wheel of the Year and do not celebrate any Wheel holidays.)


As I am on a celtic path, I follow Lughnasadh, though being mostly solitary currently some of the more athelitic parts of the festival is a bit harder for me to celebrate. It is also the time of my final exam in my internet course I am currently in as well which also makes it a bit difficult to celeberate;

I would like to know if anyone who is more solitary has some suggestions on how to celebrate this particular festival. :)

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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2012, 08:30:31 pm »
Quote from: veggiewolf;62725
Based on something Darkhawk said in another post:



I wondered how many people actually celebrate Lughnasadh and how many celebrate Lammas instead?

(Disclaimer: I do not follow the Wheel of the Year and do not celebrate any Wheel holidays.)
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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2012, 07:52:05 am »
Quote from: veggiewolf;62725
Based on something Darkhawk said in another post:



I wondered how many people actually celebrate Lughnasadh and how many celebrate Lammas instead?

(Disclaimer: I do not follow the Wheel of the Year and do not celebrate any Wheel holidays.)


As a Gaelic Polytheist I celebrate Lùnastal - that being the Scottish Gaelic word for Lughnasadh.

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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2012, 09:37:02 am »
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As a Gaelic Polytheist I celebrate Lùnastal - that being the Scottish Gaelic word for Lughnasadh.

 
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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2012, 09:53:37 am »
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As a Gaelic Polytheist I celebrate Lùnastal - that being the Scottish Gaelic word for Lughnasadh.

 
So, for those who celebrate Lughnasadh/Lunastal, do you incorporate athletics?  If so, how?  If not, why not?
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Re: Lammas vs. Lughnasadh
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2012, 02:37:09 pm »
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So, for those who celebrate Lughnasadh/Lunastal, do you incorporate athletics?  If so, how?  If not, why not?

 
I put races and different kinds of games on for my kids as part of our celebrations (and depending on the weather), just some fun stuff like assault courses, scooter races, things like that; card games if the weather's bad, and I can join in then too.

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