Author Topic: Chant the 'wrong' way and be hexed - Z's threat for 'misusing' her chant (Read 21472 times)

Tana · « **on:** April 18, 2012, 10:11:48 am »

Z. is claiming that to include a god in her chant, is a misuse and everybody, who will use the chant 'wrong' by altering it, will be hexed.

Somehow I think the part about intellectual property is not really her point in this.

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Dearest Friends!
I would like you to help me spread the words that Singing "We all come from the Goddess" should NOT BE rewritten.

http://www.facebook.com/zbudapest/posts/3332681429068

Darkhawk · « **Reply #1 on:** April 18, 2012, 10:15:40 am »

Quote from: Tana;50706

Somehow I think the part about intellectual property is not really her point in this.

And even if it were, that's not how IP law works. I suspect that any additional verses would be considered transformative works and thus protected.

Parody is also protected. In case anyone was interested.

(Comment on this I saw on FB was roughly "Get with your hexing, Z, there are a lot of us out here with mirrors.")

Melamphoros · « **Reply #2 on:** April 18, 2012, 10:18:56 am »

Quote from: Tana;50706

Z. is claiming that to include a god in her chant, is a misuse and everybody, who will use the chant 'wrong' by altering it, will be hexed.

Somehow I think the part about intellectual property is not really her point in this.

Oh Z, you're trying your hardest to remind people you are still around. And yet, all you're doing is reminding us just how out of touch and irrelevant you have become.

I'd feel sad for her if her head wasn't buried deep up her ass.

yewberry · « **Reply #3 on:** April 18, 2012, 10:38:28 am »

Quote from: Darkhawk;50707

"Get with your hexing, Z, there are a lot of us out here with mirrors."

{golf clap}

Carry on...

Brina

Teigue · « **Reply #4 on:** April 18, 2012, 10:40:00 am »

Quote from: Melamphoros;50708

Oh Z, you're trying your hardest to remind people you are still around. And yet, all you're doing is reminding us just how out of touch and irrelevant you have become.

I'd feel sad for her if her head wasn't buried deep up her ass.

Mel, the technical term for it is "Acute anal-cranial inversion"

and I'm afraid that her case is terminal

Melamphoros · « **Reply #5 on:** April 18, 2012, 10:45:13 am »

Quote from: Teigue;50711

Mel, the technical term for it is "Acute anal-cranial inversion"

and I'm afraid that her case is terminal

I prefer my phrasing, it sounds a lot nastier:ange:

Tana · « **Reply #6 on:** April 18, 2012, 10:50:54 am »

Quote from: Darkhawk;50707

And even if it were, that's not how IP law works. I suspect that any additional verses would be considered transformative works and thus protected.

While she has the right to be given credit and has the right to be paid for it, when the chant is used on CDs and so on, I think it absolutely over the top to 'hex' anyone using the chant with additions, because she does not like them.

Personally I am not scared of this hex, honestly I think Z is delusional.
She is not so allmighty that she can hex each and every person on the world, using the chant in another way and if she really believes she can - she is beyond help.

cigfran · « **Reply #7 on:** April 18, 2012, 10:51:37 am »

Quote from: Tana;50706

She is not so allmighty that she can hex each and every person on the world, using the chant in another way and if she really believes she can - she is beyond help.

Absurd though the whole thing is, taken out of context it's an elegant idea... construct a charm so finely crafted that any effort to modify it triggers hidden traps... sing a song so esoterically composed that any improper performance brings a result opposite to its first intent.

The stuff of fiction - I can't imagine any mages of this caliber in our world today - but interesting in its own way.

Tana · « **Reply #8 on:** April 18, 2012, 10:54:24 am »

Quote from: cigfran;50714

Absurd though the whole thing is, taken out of context it's an elegant idea... construct a charm so finely crafted that any effort to modify it triggers hidden traps... sing a song so esoterically composed that any improper performance brings a result opposite to its first intent.

The stuff of fiction - I can't imagine any mages of this caliber in our world today - but interesting in its own way.

Wow, when put this way... that's a hell of a great fiction idea!

Jenett · « **Reply #9 on:** April 18, 2012, 11:01:34 am »

Quote from: Darkhawk;50707

And even if it were, that's not how IP law works. I suspect that any additional verses would be considered transformative works and thus protected.

Parody is also protected. In case anyone was interested.

(Comment on this I saw on FB was roughly "Get with your hexing, Z, there are a lot of us out here with mirrors.")

Parody's a safer bet (in terms of case precedent) than transformational work (which, oy, messy.)

One of the things that would be a consideration in a court case, I'm guessing, is proportion of original work used. When you have a 2 line work, without additional verses, it's a lot harder to make an argument about adding versions not altering the core of the work, than, say, if you had something that already had a dozen verses. (that's because part of the fair use/etc. standards look at how much of the core of the work you're using. Music and lyrics and poetry are notoriously tricky anyway. Really short chant even more so.)

But I'm not sure there actually *is* much precedent-setting law on something like this. (If I were going to go dig, I'd go look at the various suits about Happy Birthday as a song.)

Melamphoros · « **Reply #10 on:** April 18, 2012, 11:16:34 am »

Quote from: cigfran;50714

Absurd though the whole thing is, taken out of context it's an elegant idea... construct a charm so finely crafted that any effort to modify it triggers hidden traps... sing a song so esoterically composed that any improper performance brings a result opposite to its first intent.

The stuff of fiction - I can't imagine any mages of this caliber in our world today - but interesting in its own way.

*adds to my big list of plot ideas*

Elani Temperance · « **Reply #11 on:** April 18, 2012, 11:44:30 am »

Quote from: Tana;50706

Z. is claiming that to include a god in her chant, is a misuse and everybody, who will use the chant 'wrong' by altering it, will be hexed.

Somehow I think the part about intellectual property is not really her point in this.

Way back when, when I first discovered paganism, I followed a Dianic path. Z. was a great inspiration to me (like all of her peers) and it pains me to see her this... angry.

I walked away from a Dianic path after longer study and a better understanding of deity and magick. I realized I greatly valued the balance between genders which was left out in the Dianic path. I greatly value men in paganism.

Still, Z.'s voices was one of the firsts I heard and this issue (especially after the trans one) leaves me so, so sad.

SatAset · « **Reply #12 on:** April 18, 2012, 11:46:42 am »

Quote from: cigfran;50714

Absurd though the whole thing is, taken out of context it's an elegant idea... construct a charm so finely crafted that any effort to modify it triggers hidden traps... sing a song so esoterically composed that any improper performance brings a result opposite to its first intent.

The stuff of fiction - I can't imagine any mages of this caliber in our world today - but interesting in its own way.

That's a great idea for a fantasy book.

Annie Roonie · « **Reply #13 on:** April 18, 2012, 12:19:43 pm »

Quote from: Melamphoros;50708

Oh Z, you're trying your hardest to remind people you are still around. And yet, all you're doing is reminding us just how out of touch and irrelevant you have become.

I'd feel sad for her if her head wasn't buried deep up her ass.

I did not know who she was before undies were vocally twisted about her bigotry two years ago. Then again this year and louder. And I think she is addicted now. She's said how much she enjoyed creating controversy. Eating that asparagus and peeing on public lawns. And she cannot have been this successful in getting attention before. I'm guessing the FB comments alone number more than her students for her first ten years. She's an opportunist by nature (I think she's actually said this in a vid and encourages others to be), she's got to monetize this somehow. Even the increase of clicks to her page is going to help her.

So I think you're half to three quarters right. She is trying to remind people she is still around and that she IS at all for many. But her head seems more buried in her bottom line than her ass exactly. Very close they are though.

From what I've read she was a low level niche door opener in the wider women's movement; now she's a low level internet troll.

I've never heard the song/chant. If I can escape that, I win a giant can of asparagus.

Lokabrenna · « **Reply #14 on:** April 18, 2012, 12:31:23 pm »

Quote from: LittleWitchMagazine;50725

Way back when, when I first discovered paganism, I followed a Dianic path. Z. was a great inspiration to me (like all of her peers) and it pains me to see her this... angry.

I walked away from a Dianic path after longer study and a better understanding of deity and magick. I realized I greatly valued the balance between genders which was left out in the Dianic path. I greatly value men in paganism.

Still, Z.'s voices was one of the firsts I heard and this issue (especially after the trans one) leaves me so, so sad.

This was the same thing I went through, although, it should be noted that her transphobia does come up in her writings, and was not exclusive to the PantheaCon fiascos.

I support her desire to take credit where credit is due (and it sounds like she might have a case), but threatening people with hexes is a new low.

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