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Divine protections on Putin?
« on: December 30, 2016, 01:49:19 pm »
To put it bluntly, I have prepared a killing spell, and I desire to use it on Putin. For obvious reasons, I'd like to be informed if there are an spirits/gods on his side.

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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2016, 03:13:46 pm »
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To put it bluntly, I have prepared a killing spell, and I desire to use it on Putin. For obvious reasons, I'd like to be informed if there are an spirits/gods on his side.

 
My first question here would be, why do you want this effect specifically? Aside from the various ethical issues, pragmatically speaking you'd have a greater chance of success with a lesser effect, like sending him scandals or getting him exiled. Especially if there were any supernatural beings supporting him (which I have no way of knowing).

What makes you think any of us would know? That isn't the sort of thing political leaders advertise in this day and age.
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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2016, 03:59:02 pm »
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To put it bluntly, I have prepared a killing spell, and I desire to use it on Putin. For obvious reasons, I'd like to be informed if there are an spirits/gods on his side.

 
Putin's pretty badass. I think he could just beat up a curse. Anyway, bad idea. If killing people with curses was easy, a lot more world leaders would die in mysterious circumstances, so in the first place, it is unlikely to work. Secondly, even if you succeed, it may not help. Ultimately Putin is a product of circumstance and political culture. At best, little would change. At worst, it might cause further destabilisation. Suffice to say, you can't kill your way out of every problem.

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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2016, 09:36:18 pm »
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To put it bluntly, I have prepared a killing spell, and I desire to use it on Putin. For obvious reasons, I'd like to be informed if there are an spirits/gods on his side.

 
Yeah, sure, hang on, I'll just call him up and ask "yo, Putin my man, you got any gods on your side? Cheers."

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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2016, 10:00:44 pm »
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Yeah, sure, hang on, I'll just call him up and ask "yo, Putin my man, you got any gods on your side? Cheers."

 
I know some people here are good seers, so why not.

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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2016, 10:01:29 pm »
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Putin's pretty badass. I think he could just beat up a curse. Anyway, bad idea. If killing people with curses was easy, a lot more world leaders would die in mysterious circumstances, so in the first place, it is unlikely to work. Secondly, even if you succeed, it may not help. Ultimately Putin is a product of circumstance and political culture. At best, little would change. At worst, it might cause further destabilisation. Suffice to say, you can't kill your way out of every problem.

 
Not out of every problem, yes, but literally every magical tradition has murder spells.

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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2016, 10:02:46 pm »
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My first question here would be, why do you want this effect specifically? Aside from the various ethical issues, pragmatically speaking you'd have a greater chance of success with a lesser effect, like sending him scandals or getting him exiled. Especially if there were any supernatural beings supporting him (which I have no way of knowing).

What makes you think any of us would know? That isn't the sort of thing political leaders advertise in this day and age.

 
I could, but I realise that everything is part of a greater whole. Destabilization leads to more effective changes, be them negative or bad.

Plus, I need to send a message.

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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2016, 11:19:52 pm »
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I know some people here are good seers, so why not.

 
Why not seer it yourself?

At any rate, talking about murder on this forum is not terribly productive. If you wish to discuss the ethics of such things, that would be a topic you'd be more likely to get responses to. Flat out stating criminal intent, however, ehhh. Not so much.

You yourself stated that many magical traditions have killing spells, so obviously you have an inkling on where to find them already.

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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2016, 12:51:00 am »
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To put it bluntly, I have prepared a killing spell, and I desire to use it on Putin. For obvious reasons, I'd like to be informed if there are an spirits/gods on his side.

 
I understand why you would want to stop a mass murderer from killing more. Some might argue a binding spell would be more ethical. Either way, the experience of skilled Witches I know who have striven to curse such tyrants is that it is ineffective -- not so much because they have magical guardians (if they do), but because for such a spell you'd need to have more personal contact with the target than you can ever get. You'll never have a lock of their hair or paring of their nail, for instance.

As to being magically protected ... one well-documented example is Ronald Reagan. After the assassination attempt early in his first term, Nancy Reagan tasked her astrologer, Joan Quigley, with protecting him. In a rare talk I attended, Quigley explained to fellow astrologers her techniques for scheduling Reagan's public appearances for times when his chart was well aspected and avoiding other times. She used traditional astrological methods, and they worked -- so well that he gained the moniker of the "teflon president" because no harm or even scandal ever attached to him during the rest of his time in office, despite the high crimes he was clearly responsible for (Granada, Iran-Contra, etc.).
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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2016, 11:20:33 am »
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Plus, I need to send a message.

 
(bolding mine)

Why?
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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2016, 11:52:01 am »
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I understand why you would want to stop a mass murderer from killing more. Some might argue a binding spell would be more ethical. Either way, the experience of skilled Witches I know who have striven to curse such tyrants is that it is ineffective -- not so much because they have magical guardians (if they do), but because for such a spell you'd need to have more personal contact with the target than you can ever get. You'll never have a lock of their hair or paring of their nail, for instance.

As to being magically protected ... one well-documented example is Ronald Reagan. After the assassination attempt early in his first term, Nancy Reagan tasked her astrologer, Joan Quigley, with protecting him. In a rare talk I attended, Quigley explained to fellow astrologers her techniques for scheduling Reagan's public appearances for times when his chart was well aspected and avoiding other times. She used traditional astrological methods, and they worked -- so well that he gained the moniker of the "teflon president" because no harm or even scandal ever attached to him during the rest of his time in office, despite the high crimes he was clearly responsible for (Granada, Iran-Contra, etc.).

 
Fascinating. This goes to show how blatantly corrupt some fellow magicians truly are.

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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2016, 12:29:59 pm »
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Fascinating. This goes to show how blatantly corrupt some fellow magicians truly are.


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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2016, 09:39:23 pm »
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Hello and welcome to life, populated by your fellow flawed human beings.

 
Guess so.

I decided that I don't mind dying if this backfires. Guess it wraps up this thread

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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2016, 09:52:11 pm »
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To put it bluntly, I have prepared a killing spell, and I desire to use it on Putin. For obvious reasons, I'd like to be informed if there are an spirits/gods on his side.


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I could, but I realise that everything is part of a greater whole. Destabilization leads to more effective changes, be them negative or bad.

Plus, I need to send a message.

 
You know, I'll leave the whole thing about the more effective changes alone after pointing out that 'negative' & 'bad' mean the same thing...

As for the intent behind the post; folks, has any of you ever seen one such as this with enough sense in their head to make it happen? Personally, I learned a long time ago that people who think and speak like this are not worth my or anyone else's time. Best to let them self-destruct on their own and not be too near when they do.

tl;dr Obvious troll is obviously trawling.
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Re: Divine protections on Putin?
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tl;dr Obvious troll is obviously trawling.

 
Are you referring to yourself or to Pteranotropi here?

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