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What is Yahweh?
« on: September 25, 2016, 07:28:03 pm »
I've been mulling around in my head an idea.. What if Yahweh is just a principle?

A principle is:
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2. a fundamental, primary, or general law or truth from which others are derived
3. a fundamental doctrine or tenet; a distinctive ruling opinion

That sound right to any of you? What are your thoughts?
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Re: What is Yahweh?
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2016, 09:19:23 pm »
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I've been mulling around in my head an idea.. What if Yahweh is just a principle?

A principle is:
1. an accepted or professed rule of action or conduct
2. a fundamental, primary, or general law or truth from which others are derived
3. a fundamental doctrine or tenet; a distinctive ruling opinion

That sound right to any of you? What are your thoughts?

I don't see it, personally. In what way do you think Yahweh is one of those things? I don't think he'd qualify as a rule of conduct unto himself, nor a fundamental truth or doctrine in my theology.

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Re: What is Yahweh?
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2016, 09:43:42 pm »
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I don't see it, personally. In what way do you think Yahweh is one of those things? I don't think he'd qualify as a rule of conduct unto himself, nor a fundamental truth or doctrine in my theology.

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I actually kind of feel bad for starting this topic now. Lol. You can't be like "you're deity is merely just a principle" to someone that believes in it as an entity with a mind of it's own.

This is more directed at those that think the same way. I apologize to those of you that would be offended by the idea. Oopsie!
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Re: What is Yahweh?
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2016, 10:00:34 pm »
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I actually kind of feel bad for starting this topic now. Lol. You can't be like "you're deity is merely just a principle" to someone that believes in it as an entity with a mind of it's own.

This is more directed at those that think the same way. I apologize to those of you that would be offended by the idea. Oopsie!
No apologies needed, I just was looking for an understanding of what you meant. I don't think of Yahweh as any different from any other deity in a lot of ways.

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Re: What is Yahweh?
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2016, 10:08:59 pm »
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I've been mulling around in my head an idea.. What if Yahweh is just a principle?

A principle is:
1. an accepted or professed rule of action or conduct
2. a fundamental, primary, or general law or truth from which others are derived
3. a fundamental doctrine or tenet; a distinctive ruling opinion

That sound right to any of you? What are your thoughts?

 I genuinely don't understand the premise.
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Re: What is Yahweh?
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2016, 10:17:48 am »
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That sound right to any of you? What are your thoughts?

 
I think Hashem is someone else's god and not my problem, and coming up with theologies for hypothetical other people's gods is interesting in fiction but not really worthwhile in reality outside of some context where it has some relevance.
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Re: What is Yahweh?
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2016, 04:06:28 pm »
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I think Hashem is someone else's god and not my problem, and coming up with theologies for hypothetical other people's gods is interesting in fiction but not really worthwhile in reality outside of some context where it has some relevance.

Well I was asking for science's sake, but I realized the mistake after I posted it, so sorry about that. I really don't wanna ruffle any feathers! :eek:
You are right though. What is the point?
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Re: What is Yahweh?
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 05:09:38 pm »
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Well I was asking for science's sake, but I realized the mistake after I posted it, so sorry about that. I really don't wanna ruffle any feathers! :eek:

 
It's not offensive. I'm just not sure anyone knows what you're actually trying to say.  And, well, not a topic with a lot of relevance for most pagans anyway. :}

There is no "for science's sake" unless you have a testable proposition.  Science is not wholly irrelevant to religious issues, but it's definitely not the right mode for a complete cloud castle philosophical what if.
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Re: What is Yahweh?
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2016, 11:45:50 pm »
Quote from: Koudelka;196646
I've been mulling around in my head an idea.. What if Yahweh is just a principle?

A principle is:
1. an accepted or professed rule of action or conduct
2. a fundamental, primary, or general law or truth from which others are derived
3. a fundamental doctrine or tenet; a distinctive ruling opinion

That sound right to any of you? What are your thoughts?

 
This isn't entirely an invalid take on the Jewish supreme deity, if that's Who you're referring to--but it would take a lot more fleshing out to be a very useful descriptor. And, I note, in doing the fleshing out, you'd be best off researching Jewish sources.

If you're really interested in the idea of the different ways Hashem can be personified or not, rather than getting too upset about making the post, I'd suggest reading some Kabbalah. My favorite resource for it is Daniel C. Matt's The Essential Kabbalah: The Heart of Jewish Mysticism.

Certainly, Hashem is intimately linked to the giving of laws, which can themselves be seen as the ultimate form of Principle. But that's got a cultural context which can't be removed from it, as well.
 
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I don't think of Yahweh as any different from any other deity in a lot of ways.

 
Bingo!

All practicing Jews should argue with Hashem about something, and my biggest point of contention with Him is His solipsism in claiming to be so different from other Powers. [/blasphemy]
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Re: What is Yahweh?
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2016, 04:53:14 am »
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What are your thoughts?


I am interested in, how ancient pagans approached the Jewish god. Most of them accepted the claim, that Jews worshipped the Supreme Being. For pagans, that didn't exclude the existence of lesser deities. Nor did it exclude the existence of lesser deities for pre-exilic Jews, as attested in old Jewish hymns, like Psalms 29, 82 and 138 (Hebrew enumeration). Strict monotheism was a post-exilic development.

The oracle dedicated to Apollo in Claros once explained, that the Jewish god reveals itself as Jupiter/Zeus in spring, the Sol/Helios in summer, Liber/Dionysus in autumn and Dis/Hades in winter. The planet associated to the Jewish god is Saturn.

A point on which ancient pagans and Jews didn't agree was the translateability of the Jewish God. While the Greek and the Romans were accustomed, that most deities are translatable into other languages (as per the Zeus = Jupiter pattern), Jews insisted that YHWH isn't known among other peoples, and thus non-translateable.

There is a Sikh saying: 'Some say Rama, some say ar-Rahman'. I share that approach to the Supreme Being. It doesn't matter if you call it Allah, YHWH, Isis, To Hen, Zeus Hypsistos, Jupiter Ammon, Kneph or Ik Onkar - there is only one Supreme Being (and many intermediate deities).

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Re: What is Yahweh?
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2016, 12:29:05 pm »
Quote from: Koudelka;196646
I've been mulling around in my head an idea.. What if Yahweh is just a principle?

A principle is:
1. an accepted or professed rule of action or conduct
2. a fundamental, primary, or general law or truth from which others are derived
3. a fundamental doctrine or tenet; a distinctive ruling opinion

That sound right to any of you? What are your thoughts?
That is the Qabalistic view.
"Yahweh" is the mis-pronunciation of YHVH which represents the entirety of creation.

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Re: What is Yahweh?
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2016, 02:24:59 am »
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That is the Qabalistic view.
"Yahweh" is the mis-pronunciation of YHVH which represents the entirety of creation.

 
Well I'm glad I took the time to come back and read this thread! I feel less ignorant now! Hah! Thank you all! I call this thread ajourned/case closed.... Unless you guys find it interesting to talk about hehe. If so proceed.
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Re: What is Yahweh?
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2017, 08:49:14 pm »
What is Yahweh?

In my spiritual-religious system, YHVH is worshipped as the supreme God among many gods and godlike beings, having attained that position by rising up against primordial chaos and emerging victorious... and is revered as the ultimate power of Creation and Destruction, and the cosmic embodiment of ultimate Order over ultimate Chaos.

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