The Cauldron: A Pagan Forum

I can say an amazing variety of words with disdain, but you'd look pretty silly objecting to being called a /man/ because I said it with the inflection a 2nd wave feminist might use.

No, I mean one of my friends was told "You can't have an opinion on Loki because you're just a cis slut who wants to f*** Tom Hiddleston". I personally have never seen it used positively.

But to play the game out properly, what do you believe a person whose socially assigned gender matches their gender identity should be referred to as?

 
Do you mean what would I prefer to be called? A man/male/guy - I've had no transitions that would apply, and those are the terms I usually encounter day-to-day. I'd be fine with "non-trans" in context, as well.

No, I mean one of my friends was told "You can't have an opinion on Loki because you're just a cis slut who wants to f*** Tom Hiddleston". I personally have never seen it used positively.

 
Then I guess this entire thread (and forum, for that matter) must not exist. Otherwise you'd have yourself a huge Black Swan on your hands to account for and we can't be having that, now, can we?

Words exist independent of your personal experience, though. You have now seen it used neutrally. It was used neutrally in this thread and in the article I linked to and even in the Wikipedia article you linked. Are you more comfortable with it now, having seen it used as such?

Aye, they do. But my personal experience shapes how I hear the word. I'm still uncomfortable with the term.

"Transition" is not what "trans-" stands for

I know. What I meant was that I have not had a sex change operation, plastic surgery operation, or radical shift in mentality, and am still (generally) as I was born. Not just in regards to not being a transsexual person, but also in regards to any other identities that may exist that I'm not aware of.

You wouldn't use the word "male" in the contexts where "cis" is generally used - no one talks about a malegender person. Cis is a prefix, or an adjective.

Understood, but to me it seems a redundancy. If talking about a "cisgendered male" why not just say "male?" Even if others use "cis male", though, I'm uncomfortable with it being used for me.

I doubt you refer to yourself as a "person not of color" or a "non-woman" or a "non-child" or "not gay" in most contexts.

I am a color, though; peach. I get what you're driving at, though; usually I just refer to myself as white, as opposed to black. I also do frequently refer to myself as "not gay," about as much as I do "heterosexual" (but that's a mouthful) because I don't like the term "straight"; it implies gay people are "crooked."

However I did say that I'd be fine with "non-trans" in context, meaning that in a conversation subject specific to transsexual people, I'd be fine with being referred to as "non-trans" rather than "cis."

Understood, but to me it seems a redundancy. If talking about a "cisgendered male" why not just say "male?" Even if others use "cis male", though, I'm uncomfortable with it being used for me.

Because "trans male" exists too.  Therefore "male" cannot be synonymous with "cis male".

Yes, now I have. But as I mentioned to Jack, it still doesn't help my history with the word. To invoke Godwin's law, someone could pose an academic study into the swastika symbol (and indeed, many have,) but it still doesn't fix the global impact that it had during WWII.

 
It's funny that you immediately leaped to the swastika, because that symbol has been used worldwide by many cultures since before the Nazis appropriated it...and even though my Opa was in the Underground before getting captured and spending years in a Nazi prison where he was tortured, and I hate Nazis with an all-consuming passion, I am able to not have a knee-jerk freak out response every time I see any symbol that resembles a swastika.

Which is good, because I live in BC and it's common in Coast Salish art. And y'know, if I ever wanted to visit Japan or even look at it on Google Maps, I'd have to be okay with it there too, as it denotes Buddhist temples on signage.

So if you're going to compare "cis" with the swastika (and can I just say: seriously? that really seemed like a good idea?) maybe you could also learn to not have a knee-jerk reaction to a word that is literally just a descriptive because some people are jerks about it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Leaving aside the other commentary on this thread, I would like to publicly state my position on the AFA, their policies, their philosophies, and their opinions.

Fuck. The. AFA.

I kept meaning to get on the computer and give you rep for this and it hasn't happened, so Bob, I just wanted to give you my applause for your response.

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...so Bob, I just wanted to give you my applause for your response.

Yes, was going to do the same thing!

Yes, now I have. But as I mentioned to Jack, it still doesn't help my history with the word. To invoke Godwin's law, someone could pose an academic study into the swastika symbol (and indeed, many have,) but it still doesn't fix the global impact that it had during WWII.

 
The whole purpose of Godwin's Law is to stop folks from hyperbolicly bringing up Nazis and related topics as a reducto ad Hitlerum.

Addditionally, it's generally held that whomever it is that Godwins a thread automatically loses whatever the debate was centered on.

I must say, I am thoroughly entertained in a trainwreck kind of way by the flippancy of trying to cast it as an argument itself.