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Dia duit
« on: June 23, 2016, 02:58:03 pm »
Hello.

I am a Michigander currently residing in the UK.
I am a Celtic and Germanic Reconstructivist and looking for others with similar beliefs+origins to me to discuss the rebuilding of our native faiths.
I do my best to be friendly and understanding, but have zero patience for those who treat the beliefs of my ancestors as a gimmick or 'role players'.
I believe Paganism is at it's core about being in touch with our ancestors and their ways, and thus would be a 'racialist'--not "racist"-- Pagan.

Will discuss pretty much anything, but cannot guarantee I will always agree. :)

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Re: Dia duit
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2016, 03:22:27 pm »
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Hello.

I am a Michigander currently residing in the UK.
I am a Celtic and Germanic Reconstructivist and looking for others with similar beliefs+origins to me to discuss the rebuilding of our native faiths.
I do my best to be friendly and understanding, but have zero patience for those who treat the beliefs of my ancestors as a gimmick or 'role players'.
I believe Paganism is at it's core about being in touch with our ancestors and their ways, and thus would be a 'racialist'--not "racist"-- Pagan.

Will discuss pretty much anything, but cannot guarantee I will always agree. :)

 
Welcome! Ancestor work is very important to a lot of people. :) All my ancestors within living memory have been very devout Christians, so I don't have much religious connection to them.
KARMA: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Re: Dia duit
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2016, 03:31:44 pm »
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Welcome! Ancestor work is very important to a lot of people. :) All my ancestors within living memory have been very devout Christians, so I don't have much religious connection to them.

 
I know that issue all too well. Both sides of my family have been corroded by Christian faith to varying degrees, so to do much Druidic work I need to go very far back, which usually brings up the issue of a language barrier!
My paternal side has a slight dash of Native American blood which makes it a touch easier, but that is such a different lifestyle that's it's hard to establish a connection.

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Re: Dia duit
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2016, 04:45:27 pm »
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Hello.

I am a Michigander currently residing in the UK.
I am a Celtic and Germanic Reconstructivist and looking for others with similar beliefs+origins to me to discuss the rebuilding of our native faiths.
I do my best to be friendly and understanding, but have zero patience for those who treat the beliefs of my ancestors as a gimmick or 'role players'.
I believe Paganism is at it's core about being in touch with our ancestors and their ways, and thus would be a 'racialist'--not "racist"-- Pagan.

Will discuss pretty much anything, but cannot guarantee I will always agree. :)


And yet you have the Wewelsburg black sun as your signature image with binary that may obliquely refer to the Vril Society.

You're going to have to work a hell of a lot harder to convince me.
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Re: Dia duit
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2016, 04:53:14 pm »
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And yet you have the Wewelsburg black sun as your signature image with binary that may obliquely refer to the Vril Society.

You're going to have to work a hell of a lot harder to convince me.

 
I am not familiar with a Vril society, what comes up in a Google search is some science fiction?
The black sun has become a symbol in the reconstruction of Germanic paganism and mysticism.  
I have extended a hand of friendship to these forums, there is no pressure on you to accept it. :)

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Re: Dia duit
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2016, 05:18:07 pm »
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I am not familiar with a Vril society, what comes up in a Google search is some science fiction?
The black sun has become a symbol in the reconstruction of Germanic paganism and mysticism.  
I have extended a hand of friendship to these forums, there is no pressure on you to accept it. :)

 
Except that is a very particular black sun. And I find it very unlikely that, if you do run in Germanic Recon circles, that you would be unaware of its origin and meaning. It's not something casually used.

So yeah.
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Re: Dia duit
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2016, 05:29:08 pm »
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Except that is a very particular black sun. And I find it very unlikely that, if you do run in Germanic Recon circles, that you would be unaware of its origin and meaning. It's not something casually used.

So yeah.

 
I wouldn't say I run in Recon circles as it's quite difficult to find recons of any paganism, and even harder to find people who are all 'there', actually practice, and have a compatible, or equal level grasp with experiences to back it.
If you may, please tell me what YOU think it means and let's see if we can iron out some misunderstandings? I'm assuming your mind is immediately jumping to WWII Nazi ideology with the whole "master race" thing? That isn't the exclusive context of that symbol, if that's what you are thinking.

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Re: Dia duit
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2016, 06:01:56 pm »
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I wouldn't say I run in Recon circles as it's quite difficult to find recons of any paganism, and even harder to find people who are all 'there', actually practice, and have a compatible, or equal level grasp with experiences to back it.
If you may, please tell me what YOU think it means and let's see if we can iron out some misunderstandings? I'm assuming your mind is immediately jumping to WWII Nazi ideology with the whole "master race" thing? That isn't the exclusive context of that symbol, if that's what you are thinking.

 
I am not talking about sunwheels/black suns in general occultism. I am specifically talking about the Wewelsburg black sun, taken from the floor mosaic, which is the one you are using. Wewelsburg. As in Wewelsburg Castle in North Rhine-Westphalia, selected by Heinrich Himmler to be the religious center of the folkish cult at the core of the SS. The north tower in particular. Where the mosaic has pride of place in the center of the floor.

Ain't nothing to iron out, here.
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Re: Dia duit
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2016, 06:16:31 pm »
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Hello.

I am a Michigander currently residing in the UK.
I am a Celtic and Germanic Reconstructivist and looking for others with similar beliefs+origins to me to discuss the rebuilding of our native faiths.
I do my best to be friendly and understanding, but have zero patience for those who treat the beliefs of my ancestors as a gimmick or 'role players'.
I believe Paganism is at it's core about being in touch with our ancestors and their ways, and thus would be a 'racialist'--not "racist"-- Pagan.

Will discuss pretty much anything, but cannot guarantee I will always agree. :)

 
Hello there.

May I know your opinion on Loki and/or Jotnar?

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Re: Dia duit
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2016, 07:09:20 pm »
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Hello there.

May I know your opinion on Loki and/or Jotnar?

 

Hello!

Loki is an odd one for me. Typically I can relate with trickster or even 'chaos' affiliated entities (Such as the case with say, Eris or Iktomi) but Loki is quite out there. I wouldn't immediately villainize, as there is always two sides, but as of now he just strikes me as insane I can't find anything to latch onto with him as a being to connect with, to forma  better understanding of?


As for the Jotnar--A big part of my philosophy is to look from a myriad of perspectives in stories(If that wasn't clear from my above text) but from my current understanding of the Jotnar, I would just say they aren't wholely good or bad and comparable to say the Fomorians of Celtic myth and as such wouldn't summarize them as a whole.

However, my main focus in Germanic paganism is the practice of Seidr; I'm by no means a mythos buff, as much as I do my best to learn when new things are exposed to me.
IF you have any insights, suggestions, etc on the matter, I'd love to hear it.
Nice to meet you, Tom. :)

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Re: Dia duit
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2016, 07:22:56 pm »
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I am not talking about sunwheels/black suns in general occultism. I am specifically talking about the Wewelsburg black sun, taken from the floor mosaic, which is the one you are using. Wewelsburg. As in Wewelsburg Castle in North Rhine-Westphalia, selected by Heinrich Himmler to be the religious center of the folkish cult at the core of the SS. The north tower in particular. Where the mosaic has pride of place in the center of the floor.

Ain't nothing to iron out, here.


I am well aware, It is a symbol that has grown and changed and it's symbolism and components in a modern Germanic pagan context are appealing to me-- If that bothers you, I don't know what to tell you, we all have symbols that will bother us, I'm personally offended by the Christian Cross and Churches.

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Re: Dia duit
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2016, 09:43:48 pm »
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Re: Dia duit
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2016, 10:15:52 pm »
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I wouldn't say I run in Recon circles as it's quite difficult to find recons of any paganism, and even harder to find people who are all 'there', actually practice, and have a compatible, or equal level grasp with experiences to back it.

 
While I may not always agree with the other folks who post there, the Asatru & Heathenry SIG here on the forum has a number of posters who are very, very dedicated to studying and analyzing the information we have to reconstruct heathen practice. You might want to take a look in there; Bob and others definitely have an excellent grasp on the extant lore and many years of experience.
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2016, 07:23:56 am »
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The Wewelsburg black sun is a neo-nazi symbol. Unless you want to be seen as a Nazi, I would not use it. By the way, this forum has been known since it started 18 years or so ago as having no tolerance for Nazis or their public sympathizers.

However, be that as it may, this image clearly violates our the size limits of our Signature Rules: it is too wide, too high and the file size is too large. I have removed it. Please read the rules before revising your signature.

 

Thank you for the link in regards to the signature standards. :)

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2016, 07:25:23 am »
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While I may not always agree with the other folks who post there, the Asatru & Heathenry SIG here on the forum has a number of posters who are very, very dedicated to studying and analyzing the information we have to reconstruct heathen practice. You might want to take a look in there; Bob and others definitely have an excellent grasp on the extant lore and many years of experience.

 

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction! I've only just joined this forum yesterday, looking forward to seeing all it has to offer. :)

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