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Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
« on: February 29, 2016, 12:41:10 am »
Frog is not one of my totems and has never really shown up until last night.

I don't believe in coincidences.  My husband and I both had dreams about me and frogs last night.

My husband NEVER remembers his dreams and I remember them all.  (My dreams are epic!  I wish I could install a camera in my brain--I would put Steven Spielberg to shame!)

My husband dreamt about me lying down on the bed and wanting him to put frogs on my back.  I laughed, but I dreamt about frogs coming out in puddles, starting to battle each other, and then the larger frogs started to eat the smaller frogs that were only just slightly smaller.

I read about Frog being there for transformation and change and cleansing, but I'm hoping that someone who works with animal totems might be able to give me some more insight.

Again, I don't believe in coincidences and really, who dreams about frogs and for my husband to remember this one is a thwap, especially since we both dreamt about them on the same night.  (My husband's a chef and when he does remember his dreams, it's usually about making food!)

Any insights are appreciated.

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Re: Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2016, 03:48:31 pm »
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Frog is not one of my totems and has never really shown up until last night.

I don't believe in coincidences.  My husband and I both had dreams about me and frogs last night.

My husband NEVER remembers his dreams and I remember them all.  (My dreams are epic!  I wish I could install a camera in my brain--I would put Steven Spielberg to shame!)

My husband dreamt about me lying down on the bed and wanting him to put frogs on my back.  I laughed, but I dreamt about frogs coming out in puddles, starting to battle each other, and then the larger frogs started to eat the smaller frogs that were only just slightly smaller.

I read about Frog being there for transformation and change and cleansing, but I'm hoping that someone who works with animal totems might be able to give me some more insight.

Again, I don't believe in coincidences and really, who dreams about frogs and for my husband to remember this one is a thwap, especially since we both dreamt about them on the same night.  (My husband's a chef and when he does remember his dreams, it's usually about making food!)

Any insights are appreciated.

 
I haven't worked with Frog before, but Wildspeak has an essay on Frog here, and that's my favorite website for consulting on animal energies. I think health and sensitivity to environmental changes is a key point there. Frogs are bioindicators - they are so sensitive to toxins and pollutants that their health can be used to measure the health of their environment. If you focus on this aspect, the conflict between the frogs in your dreams might be a sign to watch out for conflict in your own environment, or the idea of putting frogs on your back might be an attempt to watch out for "toxins" in your own environment - a kind of early warning system for unhealthy changes you might not see clearly on your own.

My tip when dealing with animal guides is to always do a bit of research on the species itself, and see if anything about it, whether biology, behavior, or traditional symbolism, stands out to you as relevant to your life. Taking the bit of time to learn about the animal is also a good way to honor the spirit in thanks for its guidance.
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Re: Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2016, 04:12:23 pm »
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Frog is not one of my totems and has never really shown up until last night.

Any insights are appreciated.

 
You might find the installment on Frog in Entwife's 'Who Sings Now?' creature-teacher series to be helpful.

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Re: Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2016, 02:50:37 am »
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I haven't worked with Frog before, but Wildspeak has an essay on Frog here, and that's my favorite website for consulting on animal energies. I think health and sensitivity to environmental changes is a key point there. Frogs are bioindicators - they are so sensitive to toxins and pollutants that their health can be used to measure the health of their environment. If you focus on this aspect, the conflict between the frogs in your dreams might be a sign to watch out for conflict in your own environment, or the idea of putting frogs on your back might be an attempt to watch out for "toxins" in your own environment - a kind of early warning system for unhealthy changes you might not see clearly on your own.

My tip when dealing with animal guides is to always do a bit of research on the species itself, and see if anything about it, whether biology, behavior, or traditional symbolism, stands out to you as relevant to your life. Taking the bit of time to learn about the animal is also a good way to honor the spirit in thanks for its guidance.

 
Thank you.  I liked the link.  I have the book, Animal-Speak, but I was away from home when these dreams occurred.  Your link added to some of the things I need to think about.

I agree with you about learning about the animal.  I have a degree in biology so I've spent a lot of time with them physically, but never really on a spiritual basis.  I've had Totems come and go so I have spent time with some of them, but never Frog.

I really like your thought about bio-indicators and environmental toxins.  That struck a chord about one of the things Frog might be trying to say.

Thank you again!

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Re: Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2016, 02:55:24 am »
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You might find the installment on Frog in Entwife's 'Who Sings Now?' creature-teacher series to be helpful.

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This was absolutely marvelous!!  I'm going to have to read through it a couple more times--it's bursting with information and insights!  I look forward to perusing Entwife's other articles.

Thank you for your recommendation.

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Re: Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2016, 11:41:24 am »
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Frog is not one of my totems and has never really shown up until last night.

I don't believe in coincidences.  My husband and I both had dreams about me and frogs last night.

My husband NEVER remembers his dreams and I remember them all.  (My dreams are epic!  I wish I could install a camera in my brain--I would put Steven Spielberg to shame!)

My husband dreamt about me lying down on the bed and wanting him to put frogs on my back.  I laughed, but I dreamt about frogs coming out in puddles, starting to battle each other, and then the larger frogs started to eat the smaller frogs that were only just slightly smaller.

I read about Frog being there for transformation and change and cleansing, but I'm hoping that someone who works with animal totems might be able to give me some more insight.

Again, I don't believe in coincidences and really, who dreams about frogs and for my husband to remember this one is a thwap, especially since we both dreamt about them on the same night.  (My husband's a chef and when he does remember his dreams, it's usually about making food!)

Any insights are appreciated.
 the frog and toad are very potent.

Blackening - Black Crow, Raven, Toad, Massa Confusa.
Whitening - White Swan, White Eagle, skeleton.
Greening - Green Lion.
Rapid cycling through iridescent colours - Peacock's Tail.
White Stone - Unicorn.
Reddening - Pelican feeding young with its own blood, cockerel.
Final transmutation - Phoenix reborn from the fire.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/animal.html
there's another great article from the now defunct pan gaia magazine...i'll try to find
small spirit animals are very powerful
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Re: Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
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Re: Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2016, 11:18:51 pm »
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Frog is not one of my totems and has never really shown up until last night.

The sole people who have totem animals are Native Americans, everyone else has power animals, animal guides but NEVER totem animals.   A totem animal is a an animal that an entire family/clan has and it's not linked to a particular person, since everyone in the family/clan has it too.

This is what I learned during years of study and work on and of shamanism in my coven for 10 years.  Each time people use the term totem they offend Native Americans.  In my case my power animal is the frog.

Here is a link to teach to stop using wrongly the term totem:

https://shamanicdrumm.wordpress.com/2012/05/08/a-totem-is-a-clan-guardian-not-a-personal-spirit-guide/
 
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My husband dreamt about me lying down on the bed  and wanting him to put frogs on my back.  I laughed, but I dreamt about  frogs coming out in puddles, starting to battle each other, and then the  larger frogs started to eat the smaller frogs that were only just  slightly smaller.

I read about Frog being there for transformation and change and  cleansing, but I'm hoping that someone who works with animal totems  might be able to give me some more insight.

Again, I don't believe in coincidences and really, who dreams about  frogs and for my husband to remember this one is a thwap, especially  since we both dreamt about them on the same night.  (My husband's a chef  and when he does remember his dreams, it's usually about making food!)

Any insights are appreciated.

Frogs can mean hidden health issues that you need to be careful about and investigate, or hidden emotional issues that you've repressed and not expressed yet.

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Re: Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2016, 07:54:05 pm »
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Frogs can mean hidden health issues that you need to be careful about and investigate, or hidden emotional issues that you've repressed and not expressed yet.

It is interesting that you mention frogs and illness because I found that on occasions if I am having digestive issues then I end up dreaming about frogs or lizards.

Usually it is connection with a food that was off or that some bacteria was introduced because of uncleanliness.

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Re: Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2016, 10:20:14 pm »
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The sole people who have totem animals are Native Americans, everyone else has power animals, animal guides but NEVER totem animals.   A totem animal is a an animal that an entire family/clan has and it's not linked to a particular person, since everyone in the family/clan has it too.


I absolutely defy this statement. Anyone with an open heart can be accepted by a totem, and can in turn pass on the tradition to their children.  It may be the subject of raw feeling for some, but to deny others of this honor simply because they do not share genetics with those who are traditional subscribers is condemning the old way to die. There is a lot of wisdom in the old way, and our world desperately needs it.

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Re: Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2016, 10:31:28 pm »
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Any insights are appreciated.



I realize this thread is a bit old, but sometimes it's helpful to consider things after you've had time to progress in life.

I have a book called "The Animal-Wise Tarot" by Ted Andrews. I won't quote the entire passage. Each totem card has a section of questions to consider:

"Are we ignoring new opportunities? Are we mired in the mud of our day-to-day life? Do we need to dive into some fresh waters? Are we becoming bogged down in emotions and not transforming them? Are we becoming too mundane? Are we repeating old patterns and mistakes rather than moving on to new things? Are we resisting change, and hesitant to use our own creative forces?"
 
Another thing to consider is that water (puddles) is the symbol of emotion. The big frogs eating the small frogs that have come out of the puddle could be symbolic of old emotional patters (fears, anger, etc) destroying your new efforts before they've had a chance to fully mature.

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Re: Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2016, 12:00:03 am »
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I absolutely defy this statement. Anyone with an open heart can be accepted by a totem, and can in turn pass on the tradition to their children.  It may be the subject of raw feeling for some, but to deny others of this honor simply because they do not share genetics with those who are traditional subscribers is condemning the old way to die. There is a lot of wisdom in the old way, and our world desperately needs it.

 
Your reasoning falls down, though, because 'anyone with an open heart can be accepted by a totem' isn't 'the old way'. The Anishinaabe doodem (the word that 'totem' is a mistranscription of) is a clan identifier (including someone adopted into the clan, so your 'shared genetics' complaint is meaningless); to present it as anything else overwrites the old way, which doesn't just 'condemn the old way to die' but hastens its demise.

If you're not talking about Anishinaabe clan doodems, but about another aboriginal nation's 'old ways', it would make more sense to use that nation/culture's own terminology.

And if you're not talking about any particular tribe/nation's cultural traditions, but about the umbrella concept of power animals/animal spirit guides/etc (which many NA/FN cultures had in some form or another, but those forms varied widely), that's not 'the old way', it's (at best) a modern syncretization of many different old ways.

Here are a few older posts on the subject, for further info.

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Re: Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2016, 04:07:05 pm »
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I am not going to argue semantics. What I will always defy is the attitude of someone telling others that they can't call themselves/their gods and guides/their tools by a word that is true for them because they didn't descend (genetically) from a particular group of people.

I guess a more appropriate thread for this would have been the cultural appropriation thread, since the OP originally just wanted some insight into her dreams.

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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2016, 08:29:36 am »
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Your reasoning falls down, though, because 'anyone with an open heart can be accepted by a totem' isn't 'the old way'.

While I personally have decided to not dabble with words I dont understand and dont identify with, does your statement also mean that Western adaptations of ethnic customs should not be called their original name?
For example, should "yoga" still be called "yoga" if it is practiced by white people in the West?

This also brings up the issue of non-Norse descendants practicing Asatru, when Asatru is SPECIFICALLY ancestral worship.
It might offend people of Scandinavian background to think of an Asian or African practicing Norse ancestral worship.

To me, it's the same concept as this Totem issue, but no one seems to bring that up here nearly as much Native American appropriation. However, during my years dabbling in Asatru, most people I spoke to said Asatru is open to everyone, regardless of heritage. So where is the line?

Anyway, I dont know anything about the Frog, so I shouldn't even be posting here XD sorryyyyyy
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Re: Any Animal Totem Specialists Who Know About Frog?
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This also brings up the issue of non-Norse descendants practicing Asatru, when Asatru is SPECIFICALLY ancestral worship.


No, it specifically is not.

The word means "true to the Aesir".

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