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Hello everyone,
I was thinking about this question and was hoping to gain some insight from you all.

Does magick influence planetary movements to bring about the desired result that the spell caster seeks?


For example, let's say that currently the astrological transits hitting my natal chart don't suggest anything in the way of wealth, career or love.

I am curious to know then if by performance of a spell planets are influenced to align in such a way to bring about the desired outcome?

Or is magick independant of current astrological transits and will bring about the desired outcome regardless of current planetary configutarions the native may be undergoing.

Looking forward to hearing your views!

Cheers :

I haven't done more than dip my toes in the water of planetary magic, but everything I've read on the subject is about using the locations of the planets to influence your magic, not to try to move planets. I know just enough about astrophysics to know that literally moving the stars and planets would be (a) impossible for J Random Witch and (b) a bad idea for the solar system as we know it.

If you have something coming up in your chart you don't like, I think a better course would be to try to do some magic to counter that negative influence.

I'm curious if you read this idea of planetary magic somewhere? Because I've never come across this conception of it before.

But let's say in the event that there were no transits impacting my astrological natal chart favourable to forming a love relationship, would the magick work regardless of this, or does it wait for the planets to align and then work in harmony with the planets to create a favourable opportunity?

 
The general theory is that planetary alignments are similar to, say, using particular herbs or stones or any other factor that helps tilt the energy you want in the energy you wish it to go.

It may also affect the *manner* of the magic effect - because honestly, it's very rare that there are no transits that would be relevant, the question is which ones are going to be most relevant to you at a particular moment.

(So, say, with some transits, it might be a gentler effect, and some a bit more energetic. The one time my tradition pays particular attention to astrological transits for ritual is for initiations, and those are done in a 'look at the dates that people can be there, and then look at the overall flavour the astrology will give that ritual. Most of the time, there might be one day that doesn't seem like a good fit, due to the transits, but several others where it's a "If we do it then, there's going to be more of X energy to work with, but if we do it this next week, there'll be more of Y energy, and I think for this person, a bit more Y might work best.")

I do also know people who do a series of magical workings, building up toward a particular point where everything gets put into play (where that point is often a suitable astrological conjunction or whatever other transit makes sense.)

Hello everyone,
I was thinking about this question and was hoping to gain some insight from you all.

Does magick influence planetary movements to bring about the desired result that the spell caster seeks?


For example, let's say that currently the astrological transits hitting my natal chart don't suggest anything in the way of wealth, career or love.

I am curious to know then if by performance of a spell planets are influenced to align in such a way to bring about the desired outcome?

Or is magick independant of current astrological transits and will bring about the desired outcome regardless of current planetary configutarions the native may be undergoing.

Looking forward to hearing your views!

Cheers :

If you are a god or sufficiently knowledgeable and have the means to move planets then your answer would be yes.

However, planetary magick is about using the positions of the planets to your advantage.  Astrology provides a means for keeping track of natural cycles so that you can act during the best times.

There is an old saying: the stars impel, they do not compel.  This means that given strong will, discipline, and means, it is possible to overcome their influence.

Actually moving planets is physically possible and probable if you are able to enact a strong enough force on them- hence my comment about needing sufficient technology or being a god.

Wimsaur.

Thank you all very much for sharing your insight.

My confusion on the matter has been cleared up by all of your brilliant analogies!

Cheers

Hello everyone,
I was thinking about this question and was hoping to gain some insight from you all.

Does magick influence planetary movements to bring about the desired result that the spell caster seeks?


For example, let's say that currently the astrological transits hitting my natal chart don't suggest anything in the way of wealth, career or love.

I am curious to know then if by performance of a spell planets are influenced to align in such a way to bring about the desired outcome?

Or is magick independant of current astrological transits and will bring about the desired outcome regardless of current planetary configutarions the native may be undergoing.

Looking forward to hearing your views!

Cheers :

Thanks Jenett.
Good points, cheers.

The general theory is that planetary alignments are similar to, say, using particular herbs or stones or any other factor that helps tilt the energy you want in the energy you wish it to go.

It may also affect the *manner* of the magic effect - because honestly, it's very rare that there are no transits that would be relevant, the question is which ones are going to be most relevant to you at a particular moment.

(So, say, with some transits, it might be a gentler effect, and some a bit more energetic. The one time my tradition pays particular attention to astrological transits for ritual is for initiations, and those are done in a 'look at the dates that people can be there, and then look at the overall flavour the astrology will give that ritual. Most of the time, there might be one day that doesn't seem like a good fit, due to the transits, but several others where it's a "If we do it then, there's going to be more of X energy to work with, but if we do it this next week, there'll be more of Y energy, and I think for this person, a bit more Y might work best.")

I do also know people who do a series of magical workings, building up toward a particular point where everything gets put into play (where that point is often a suitable astrological conjunction or whatever other transit makes sense.)

I am curious to know then if by performance of a spell planets are influenced to align in such a way to bring about the desired outcome?

Or is magick independant of current astrological transits and will bring about the desired outcome regardless of current planetary configutarions the native may be undergoing.

 
Sure. Spell work or workings certainly influence planetary energies as regards you, in a more or less subtle way depending on your what you're doing and your level of contact. But the spirits'/angels'/demons'/gods' celestial power and intricate weavings of consciousness of the stars aren't a thing we can touch. What we can work with or be helped to work with is a different thing. Not as though you change the dance of the stars by going against the tide. That would be freaky and scary to me. This is coming from, let's say, a friend and teacher.

But if you think about it, we're itty bitty little things compared even to your common asteroid. Certainly the planets and stars are ones to keep in mind for workings. Though I've also experienced personally that if you're listening to the spirits they will certainly let you know if you're going the wrong direction with a working, whether you know much about the stars or not.