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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #180 on: January 08, 2016, 06:26:13 pm »
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It is circular reasoning I will agree, but then we go back into the circle saying that God knows all the hearts & minds, blah, blah, Which is why he would never admit to being God. It's a mess I will agree.

 
...what?
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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #181 on: January 08, 2016, 06:40:35 pm »
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It is circular reasoning I will agree, but then we go back into the circle saying that God knows all the hearts & minds, blah, blah, Which is why he would never admit to being God. It's a mess I will agree.

I fucking give up.

You've long since stopped making sense, there is no internal consistency to your arguments (if they can really even be called that since you are not even backing them), and you seem to occupy the interior of some kind of fact-dispersion field that either blocks presented facts entirely or mutates them to where they are unrecognizable and no longer contradict you.

This isn't debate anymore. It's willful ignorance.
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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #182 on: January 08, 2016, 07:00:53 pm »
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It is circular reasoning I will agree, but then we go back into the circle saying that God knows all the hearts & minds, blah, blah, Which is why he would never admit to being God. It's a mess I will agree.

In other words you have no idea what your on about and are resorting to vague platitudes.

Also, you don't know what circular reasoning is.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2016, 07:01:48 pm by Yei »

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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #183 on: January 08, 2016, 07:12:20 pm »
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Sorry I should of worded it better. I mean to say that you can't PROVE that their are God/s.
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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #184 on: January 08, 2016, 07:22:56 pm »
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I fucking give up.

You've long since stopped making sense, there is no internal consistency to your arguments (if they can really even be called that since you are not even backing them), and you seem to occupy the interior of some kind of fact-dispersion field that either blocks presented facts entirely or mutates them to where they are unrecognizable and no longer contradict you.

This isn't debate anymore. It's willful ignorance.

 
I tried to fucking give up long along & sadly got baited back into it. You call can have the fucking forum I don't like what it's become run by idiots & the people here these days over think every day thing!  So enjoy life & good luck the lot of you fucking need it!
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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #185 on: January 08, 2016, 07:45:48 pm »
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I tried to fucking give up long along & sadly got baited back into it. You call can have the fucking forum I don't like what it's become run by idiots & the people here these days over think every day thing!  So enjoy life & good luck the lot of you fucking need it!

Sorry that the people here don't accept unsubstantiated opinions as fact.  Maybe try facebook or tumblr for that.
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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #186 on: January 08, 2016, 08:06:30 pm »
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I tried to fucking give up long along & sadly got baited back into it. You call can have the fucking forum I don't like what it's become run by idiots & the people here these days over think every day thing!  So enjoy life & good luck the lot of you fucking need it!


>I don't like what it's become
>been here less than a week

Well, we won't see him again.
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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #187 on: January 08, 2016, 08:56:51 pm »
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>I don't like what it's become
>been here less than a week

Well, we won't see him again.
Well in fairness, I did start posting again in the last week... ;P
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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #188 on: January 08, 2016, 09:05:24 pm »
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Thank you, and you as well! :lub:
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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #189 on: January 17, 2016, 08:02:37 pm »
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The only people who consider Jehovah's Witnesses to be Christian are the JWs themselves; as a general rule. Although saying so may be perceived as rather rude, especially in pagan circles where it bucks the relativist trend, it is extremely debatable whether non-Trinitarian Christianity can be considered Christianity at all. Unitarianism did manage to achieve a level of mainstream respectability -- especially in the 19th and early 20th centuries -- prior to it's rapid decline; but large non-Trinitarian denominations such as Mormonism or the Jehovah's Witnesses are usually placed outside the pale by mainline Christian polities; although this, as with everything, may be relaxed in the ecumenical view of more liberal denominations.

 
I'd agree that they're "outside the pale by mainline Christian polities", but I'd suggest that makes them Christian heretics, rather than apostates.
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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #190 on: January 18, 2016, 02:27:28 am »
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At least 600 years.

And a Muslim talking about God taking human form would be committing apostasy.

 
I used to be Muslim and I didn't know that.

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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #191 on: January 18, 2016, 10:34:21 am »
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I used to be Muslim and I didn't know that.

 
I used to be Muslim and I did \O/
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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #192 on: January 28, 2016, 06:16:21 am »
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To me Christianity will always be patriarchal because it is centered around a male god who manifested in male human form, as Jesus.  The only women you hear of are either extremely docile and obedient, virginal Mary, or women who are deemed shameful for not possessing those strict characteristics.

It's not like ancient pagan and polytheistic religions--and their mythologies--were that much less patriarchal.

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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #193 on: January 28, 2016, 10:17:32 am »
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I feel Pagans can sometimes be very hard on and make blanket statements about Christianity, while Buddhism and Judaism get something of a free pass.

 
I agree, and I think there are several reasons:

  • Bitterness at what they feel Christianity has done to them.
  • Kneejerk reactions and overcompensation.
  • Genuine ignorance of Christianity, never having been raised in it or experiencing it, and using hearsay.

I encounter (too) many internet Heathens, whom I call Internetrú (a parody of Ásatrú) who have a pathological and morbid Christophobia. They are quite vocal in calling out and condemning "Christian baggage" when those of us who do not fear or dislike Christianity, and even have the temerity and unmitigated gall to have respect for it (Jesus's teachings and "Jesuism", not Paulism).

I was Christian, Italian-American Roman Catholic, with the standard-issue guilt, made worse by being an openly gay man. The theology of it simply doesn't work for me, hence my leaving it. Not to blow my own vertubenflugen, but I put that all behind me. It's sad, really, that some people are so consumed with this bitterness, letting it take up so much room in their heads.

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Re: Hostility to Christianity
« Reply #194 on: July 16, 2016, 06:05:57 pm »
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I'm just wondering if some of the occasional Pagan hostility toward Christianity was more a matter of the Christianity that people grew up with and not Christianity itself.

I grew up in the United Church of Canada. It is LGBT friendly (the current moderator is a lesbian and her predecessor was a gay man), divorce, sex outside marriage and remarriage were OK, social justice was a big deal, God was all-loving and sin was never, ever mentioned. The Christianity I knew was friendly if somewhat gutless. The idea of a judgmental, patriarchal god is completely foreign to my experience.

I feel Pagans can sometimes be very hard on and make blanket statements about Christianity, while Buddhism and Judaism get something of a free pass.


Thank you, I grew up Catholic and I still enjoy the faith. I have never met a group who is as willing to help out as the people from Christian denominations I have met and spent time with during my life.

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