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« on: November 17, 2015, 11:21:40 pm »
Any tips on how to get in touch?  I've been calling mine my whole life.  I feel the presence of my guardian angel daily, but I don't think that's the same as a familiar.  My guardian angel protects me from harm, whereas I always thought a familiar would assist me with my magic.  Have you found your familiar?  Does your familiar find you?

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Re: Familiars
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2015, 12:34:27 am »
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Any tips on how to get in touch?  I've been calling mine my whole life.  I feel the presence of my guardian angel daily, but I don't think that's the same as a familiar.  My guardian angel protects me from harm, whereas I always thought a familiar would assist me with my magic.  Have you found your familiar?  Does your familiar find you?


I think a guardian angel can still be a familiar, because it's an entity you feel the presence of daily: it is familiar. But I guess it can also depend on...a lot of things, such as where divine intervention and magic overlap or become distinct from one another, or the idea of intervention at all, whether magic is supernatural or natural.

As I've picked up from some new age psychics, if you want a guide to help you with something specific, then simply blah blah something something set the intention and feel out for who applies blah something something and meditation. Always meditation.

Personally, though, my familiars found me, when it was suddenly the right time, and only after encountering a lot of nastier entities or total absence. I want to think that it's a matter of wavelength or other conditions that are too complex to de-mystify 'cause ain't nobody got time for that, rather than "because it wasn't the right time yet" or "it wasn't good enough reason" to be code for "I'm a jerk. We're all neglectful, inchoate, sanctimonious jerks. Now that we're in your life let us guide you towards your heart's desires."
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Re: Familiars
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2015, 12:22:56 pm »
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I think a guardian angel can still be a familiar, because it's an entity you feel the presence of daily: it is familiar. But I guess it can also depend on...a lot of things, such as where divine intervention and magic overlap or become distinct from one another, or the idea of intervention at all, whether magic is supernatural or natural.

As I've picked up from some new age psychics, if you want a guide to help you with something specific, then simply blah blah something something set the intention and feel out for who applies blah something something and meditation. Always meditation.

Personally, though, my familiars found me, when it was suddenly the right time, and only after encountering a lot of nastier entities or total absence. I want to think that it's a matter of wavelength or other conditions that are too complex to de-mystify 'cause ain't nobody got time for that, rather than "because it wasn't the right time yet" or "it wasn't good enough reason" to be code for "I'm a jerk. We're all neglectful, inchoate, sanctimonious jerks. Now that we're in your life let us guide you towards your heart's desires."


I am curious - what makes something a familiar?

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Re: Familiars
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 04:37:34 pm »
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Any tips on how to get in touch?  I've been calling mine my whole life.  I feel the presence of my guardian angel daily, but I don't think that's the same as a familiar.  My guardian angel protects me from harm, whereas I always thought a familiar would assist me with my magic.  Have you found your familiar?  Does your familiar find you?


The closest thing to familiar I have is my house spirit. However, by Faemon's diffiention my house spirit (I call him sparky) could be one. I actually just mediated and focuesed on it and it glomped me! Of course, that might not work for everyone, but it couldn't help to try it out.

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 07:13:32 pm »
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Personally, though, my familiars found me, when it was suddenly the right time, and only after encountering a lot of nastier entities or total absence. I want to think that it's a matter of wavelength or other conditions that are too complex to de-mystify 'cause ain't nobody got time for that, rather than "because it wasn't the right time yet" or "it wasn't good enough reason" to be code for "I'm a jerk. We're all neglectful, inchoate, sanctimonious jerks. Now that we're in your life let us guide you towards your heart's desires."

 
I'll have to give that some thought.  My angel is definitely familiar, and may very well be my familiar.  Or at least a familiar and I'm very thankful for their presence in my life.  Especially when I look back and see how many times they saved me in situations where it couldn't have been anything short of divine intervention of some sort.  

I like your view on timing and how it's due to the overwhelming complexity of the situation rather than it just not being the right time, which tends to be an easy cliche explanation.  My imagination is now running wild.

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2015, 07:17:04 pm »
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I am curious - what makes something a familiar?

 
Have you ever made friends that you felt so connected to that they became your chosen family?  That's how I view familiars, but in another plane.  I imagine them as a familiar connection to the other side, where magick lives.  I suppose by my own definition, my guardian angel is a familiar.  I've experienced the presence of faeries as well, but never have been able to establish a personal relationship with them.  If I could, I would consider that a familiar relationship.

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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2015, 10:22:45 pm »
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I am curious - what makes something a familiar?


Intuitive, but difficult to explain. Basically...Do you know (name)? If you can answer, "Yes." Instead of "I know of (name) but we're not that close." Then that's familiar. I'd even include if you've met them once before, and go, "Huh, this (entity/person/feeling) is awfully familiar..." Well, that's probably because they are. :p
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2015, 11:39:48 pm »
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Any tips on how to get in touch?  I've been calling mine my whole life.  I feel the presence of my guardian angel daily, but I don't think that's the same as a familiar.  My guardian angel protects me from harm, whereas I always thought a familiar would assist me with my magic.  Have you found your familiar?  Does your familiar find you?

 
In Norse/Germanic mythology, the fylgja is similar to the concept of the familiar. The fylgja is your animal attendant, born with you via the placenta. It exists in spirit, and isn't generally visible to the individual until the time of that person's death. However, it can be visible to others, especially in dreams. There can be some experimenting with the fylgja (animal soul) assisting you in magic in a more abstract sense than that of a present and physical animal.

Also of interest, if you kill a animal predator and devour it (think bear or wolf), you will retain some of it's spirit. This is thought to be part of the mythology of berserkers and shape-shifters.
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2015, 11:45:20 pm »
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In Norse/Germanic mythology, the fylgja is similar to the concept of the familiar. The fylgja is your animal attendant, born with you via the placenta. It exists in spirit, and isn't generally visible to the individual until the time of that person's death. However, it can be visible to others, especially in dreams. There can be some experimenting with the fylgja (animal soul) assisting you in magic in a more abstract sense than that of a present and physical animal.

 
Very interesting.  Reminds me of a vision I had a few years ago.

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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2015, 09:46:16 am »
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In Norse/Germanic mythology, the fylgja is similar to the concept of the familiar. The fylgja is your animal attendant, born with you via the placenta. It exists in spirit, and isn't generally visible to the individual until the time of that person's death. However, it can be visible to others, especially in dreams. There can be some experimenting with the fylgja (animal soul) assisting you in magic in a more abstract sense than that of a present and physical animal.

Also of interest, if you kill a animal predator and devour it (think bear or wolf), you will retain some of it's spirit. This is thought to be part of the mythology of berserkers and shape-shifters.


So is this where the idea of a familiar in the pop culture sense of say a black cat to a witch comes from?

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2015, 09:47:17 am »
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Have you ever made friends that you felt so connected to that they became your chosen family?  That's how I view familiars, but in another plane.  I imagine them as a familiar connection to the other side, where magick lives.  I suppose by my own definition, my guardian angel is a familiar.  I've experienced the presence of faeries as well, but never have been able to establish a personal relationship with them.  If I could, I would consider that a familiar relationship.

 
Quote from: Faemon;182470
Intuitive, but difficult to explain. Basically...Do you know (name)? If you can answer, "Yes." Instead of "I know of (name) but we're not that close." Then that's familiar. I'd even include if you've met them once before, and go, "Huh, this (entity/person/feeling) is awfully familiar..." Well, that's probably because they are. :p


Thank you for answering my question, LunaStar and Faemon! Also, so just learned a new trick on multi-quoting. #winning

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2015, 10:49:36 am »
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So is this where the idea of a familiar in the pop culture sense of say a black cat to a witch comes from?

Some would say that it was definitely an influence, especially if we're talking about a more classical English idea of witches and witchcraft. Of course the Anglo-Saxons were Germanic. Even the Weird Sisters, the three witches stirring the roiling cauldron  in Shakespeare's Macbeth, were influenced by the Germanic Norns, three supernatural natural women who preside over the roiling well of Urd (wyrd).
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I am in the camp that is concerned about super intelligence," [Bill] Gates wrote. "First the machines will do a lot of jobs for us and not be super intelligent. That should be positive if we manage it well. A few decades after that though the intelligence is strong enough to be a concern. I agree with Elon Musk and some others on this and don\'t understand why some people are not concerned."

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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2015, 01:40:45 pm »
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Thank you for answering my question, LunaStar and Faemon! Also, so just learned a new trick on multi-quoting. #winning

 
Oooh can you show me how? :)

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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2015, 01:47:21 pm »
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I'd even include if you've met them once before, and go, "Huh, this (entity/person/feeling) is awfully familiar..." Well, that's probably because they are. :p

 
I suppose that could be the first step towards establishing a familiar relationship.  Sometimes when I meditate in the forest, I feel the presence of faeries.  Next time I'll pay more attention to whether they are ones I've encountered before!

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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2015, 02:45:51 pm »
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Oooh can you show me how? :)


Well, I was making it more effort than it needed to be by cutting and pasting from multiples, blah, blah, blah. So since I wanted to respond to both you and Faemon in a single post, I tried the button on the bottom right hand corner of your response post - it's a dialogue box with quotations with a plus mark under it. I clicked that, then I clicked the reply with quote to Faemon's response, and it copied your response in along with Faemon's. Much easier than what I have been doing!

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